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so i think right now the race is tied with romney having some momentum from the debate. the rest of the story will be determined by the remaining debate. obama trying to throw money at negating the effect of the debate by calling romney a liar. which is interesting. after other excuses. weak moderators, demand like appearing on "the view" and raising a lot of money in hollywood. altitude. now romney is a liar and obama was so shocked by the lies he couldn't speak on his own. so now it's the widst of the staircase express in the commercial. >> bret: a.b.? >> i think i agree that romney has gotten back tremendous momentum that he needed. i didn't he would get it until he did something to help himself, not just to keep hacking away at president obama. when he did at the debate he sold himself. as a viable alternative or reasonable replacement for the president. someone with ideas. someone who understands your problems. he needs to keep that momentum going. most importantly, it energizes the supporters. when you look at polls the most important factor is that enthusiasm gap.
so i think right now the race is tied with romney having some momentum from the debate. the rest of the story will be determined by the remaining debate. obama trying to throw money at negating the effect of the debate by calling romney a liar. which is interesting. after other excuses. weak moderators, demand like appearing on "the view" and raising a lot of money in hollywood. altitude. now romney is a liar and obama was so shocked by the lies he couldn't speak on his own. so now...
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we're seeing a more confidence mitt romney on the trail. >> we had a little debate earlier this week and i enjoyed myself. you had the chance to hear his answers or non answers. now, of course, days later, we're hearing his excuses. >> but while the romney campaign body language has changed, both are anxiously awaiting the first good post debate polls. those will give us our first look at the race after the debate and the friday unemployment report. plus, where will romney be when the results of those polls begin to come in. will he be in coin flip races in places like ohio, iowa and wisconsin? where will the president's number be? still sitting at 49 or 50 or have fallen down to 47, 48? national tracks are one thing. battleground states are another. tuesday, romney stumps virginia, then ohio with chris christie in cuyahoga falls. in three straight rallies in florida, he recounted his memories of a 14-year-old boy, david, that he befriended with leukemia. >> i sat down next to him and he said what happens next? and i spoke with him about what i believe happens next. clear eyes, full
we're seeing a more confidence mitt romney on the trail. >> we had a little debate earlier this week and i enjoyed myself. you had the chance to hear his answers or non answers. now, of course, days later, we're hearing his excuses. >> but while the romney campaign body language has changed, both are anxiously awaiting the first good post debate polls. those will give us our first look at the race after the debate and the friday unemployment report. plus, where will romney be when...
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there's problems with theway romney went through that debate. looked good but didn't exactly convey a lot of truth. your thoughts? >> that's exactly what democrats are saying. paul ryan was out today and says that he expects for the next month he's going to hear from the obama campaign that they are liars and you hear liberals picking up on that. again, to go to this point about "saturday night live," i think it underscores what people already saw from that debate, which is that president obama turned in a very poor performance. i thought that he would have been smart to go on to "saturday night live" and sort of lampoon himself. we saw him do that out west. i guess the "saturday night live" folks reached out to him and they both declined. i think it has been a right of passage in elections, going back to 2008 when mccain was on, obama was on, hillary clinton was on and sarah palin, too. it is part of our political discourse. it reinforces the narratives. i think "snl" has had problems portraying obama. they sbich switched to a new guy. jay ferr
there's problems with theway romney went through that debate. looked good but didn't exactly convey a lot of truth. your thoughts? >> that's exactly what democrats are saying. paul ryan was out today and says that he expects for the next month he's going to hear from the obama campaign that they are liars and you hear liberals picking up on that. again, to go to this point about "saturday night live," i think it underscores what people already saw from that debate, which is that...
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romney at the first debate? >> well, this isn't the first time, if that's the case, and, indeed, shall we say he had kind of a loose relationship with the facts coloring them to favor his own side, and the question is does it matter at this point when we already know that about 95% of the voters have made up their minds and their feelings about the candidates are pretty well baked in. the people watching now are what we call the low information voters. they can't help it, they're busy with other things perhaps, but they're catching up to the campaign now, and they're going by first impressions, and they might not be that familiar with all the context of the figure that is romney is quoting, and this was where president obama could have done a better job of responding on the spot, but i guess he didn't want to appear rude. >> indeed. okay. i should point out that the gallup tracking poll today does have the president five points ahead, but the pew poll, as i said, has mitt romney ahead by four points. anna marie,
romney at the first debate? >> well, this isn't the first time, if that's the case, and, indeed, shall we say he had kind of a loose relationship with the facts coloring them to favor his own side, and the question is does it matter at this point when we already know that about 95% of the voters have made up their minds and their feelings about the candidates are pretty well baked in. the people watching now are what we call the low information voters. they can't help it, they're busy...
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gibbs tried to tackle romney's debate flip-flops. i think he did it here. let's watch. >> it's not rocket science to believe that the president was disappointed in the expectations that he has for himself. but, look, i think part of that was because, as i said earlier, we met a new mitt romney. we met a mitt romney that wanted to walk away from the central theory of his economic plan which is his tax cut. i don't have a tax cut that's $4.8 trillion or $5 trillion. i'm not going to cut taxes on the rich. i don't have a medicare voucher plan. i love teachers, i think we need more of them. i mean, look, don't believe me, speaker gingrich was pretty eloquent in running during the primaries in saying, look, mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. >> well, one thing i have been saying about the campaign is the president needs surrogates out there, he needs confederates, people out there. i love charleston. a lot of people -- rather charlotte because in charlotte you heard an entire political party speaking led by people like deval patrick, the go
gibbs tried to tackle romney's debate flip-flops. i think he did it here. let's watch. >> it's not rocket science to believe that the president was disappointed in the expectations that he has for himself. but, look, i think part of that was because, as i said earlier, we met a new mitt romney. we met a mitt romney that wanted to walk away from the central theory of his economic plan which is his tax cut. i don't have a tax cut that's $4.8 trillion or $5 trillion. i'm not going to cut...
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. >>> president obama and governor mitt romney squared off in their first presidential debate wednesday. earlier in the week, thousands of conservative christians gathered in philadelphia to pray for the future of the country. organizers said the rally was not political, although same-sex marriage and abortion were widely denounced. they also called for 40 days of prayer leading up to the election. >>> meanwhile, this weekend, a conservative christian group is urging pastors to challenge federal law by endorsing political candidates from the pulpit. those who do so risk losing their churches' tax-exempt status. according to a recent survey by the christian polling organization lifeway, 87% of pastors believe pastors should refrain from making political endorsements. the survey included both evangelical and mainline clergy. >>> the supreme court opened its new term on monday and a majority of the justices -- six of the nine -- attended the annual red mass, held the sunday before at st. matthew's cathedral in washington. at the annual event, catholic leaders encourage the justices to draw
. >>> president obama and governor mitt romney squared off in their first presidential debate wednesday. earlier in the week, thousands of conservative christians gathered in philadelphia to pray for the future of the country. organizers said the rally was not political, although same-sex marriage and abortion were widely denounced. they also called for 40 days of prayer leading up to the election. >>> meanwhile, this weekend, a conservative christian group is urging pastors...
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the new yorker cover out has mitt romney debating an empty podium. some would say if you've lost the "new yorker" you've loss a lot of steam in the mainstream media. then there are headlines, why he's falling apart said the new york daily news regarding president obama. why the u.s. is unhappy under obama. does obama want to be president, that's in "the washington post." and how obama lost the will to win. that is the guardian. >> i say passing phase. >> he was battling clint eastwood there with the emptiness. jon: always a good discussion. thank you. jenna: we heard a little bit from mitt romney just about an hour ago on how he feels about foreign policy in general an mentioned iran. there are rising tensions today in that country, why iran's president may be feel the heat from economic sanctions and whether his own people could force a change there when it comes to the nuclear program. more on that in just a moment. [ female announcer ] research suggests cell health plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day women's 50+ is a complete multivit
the new yorker cover out has mitt romney debating an empty podium. some would say if you've lost the "new yorker" you've loss a lot of steam in the mainstream media. then there are headlines, why he's falling apart said the new york daily news regarding president obama. why the u.s. is unhappy under obama. does obama want to be president, that's in "the washington post." and how obama lost the will to win. that is the guardian. >> i say passing phase. >> he was...
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most americans thought mitt romney won that debate. even among democrats, a plurality there. >> everybody. >> said mitt romney won the debate. how about the states. remember the battle for the white house is not a battle nationally but for the states and their electoral votes. from the university of denver the same place that hosted that debate last wednesday night. this is a poll post-debate of colorado likely voters, the president with a slight advantage within the sampling error. >> don't you remember we were talking before the debates, will it matter, will the debates matter? apparently the answer this time is yes. >> from the gallup poll. one poll. see what others show as well. >> you have a lot more you're going to be sharing with us in the coming days. so the stakes are high now for president biden going into thursday's one and only debate with paul ryan. what are the expectations from both sides here? >> both sides are trying to lower expectations for their candidate. we heard it on the sunday talk shows like they're doing for
most americans thought mitt romney won that debate. even among democrats, a plurality there. >> everybody. >> said mitt romney won the debate. how about the states. remember the battle for the white house is not a battle nationally but for the states and their electoral votes. from the university of denver the same place that hosted that debate last wednesday night. this is a poll post-debate of colorado likely voters, the president with a slight advantage within the sampling error....
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romney is going to talk about at that foreign policy debate? >> -- what mitt romney is going to talk about. >> i think we have heard many of these arguments before, after , governorattacke romney came out and made these points pretty forcefully. from what we have seen, today's speech is going to be a maybe even stronger assertion of his views of those issues. having been on the campaign trail and talk to voters that some of the paul ryan events, it's an argument that has resonated, particularly when it comes to things like foreign aid and how the country is spending its resources. exactly see the relationship being a reciprocal one. that could also be one area the romney campaign is looking for when they decided to hold this speech. >> i want to read a piece of the speech that was released yesterday. let us know what is new from this -- host: are these new ideas are things he has talked about on the campaign trail before? guest: it is what he has said before. goes into a little more details on the policies he would pursue their. but it's a long
romney is going to talk about at that foreign policy debate? >> -- what mitt romney is going to talk about. >> i think we have heard many of these arguments before, after , governorattacke romney came out and made these points pretty forcefully. from what we have seen, today's speech is going to be a maybe even stronger assertion of his views of those issues. having been on the campaign trail and talk to voters that some of the paul ryan events, it's an argument that has resonated,...
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mitt romney had a modest debate bounce. the question is will it be a blip or lasting change. >> gretchen: look at the university of colorado forecasting model. this is interesting. this is the only model that looks at the electoral college and you need those votes to be president. 330, of the 538 map are going to mitt romney. this is the same out fit in august or september or august 22nd prediction they said the same thing. but romney picked up five more points. >> steve: what they do. they look at economics of what is going on nationally and local and state level . they look at wealth and they look at unemployment and all sorts of stuff. they predict mitt romney will win these states. new mexico and that is new since they updated it and, north carolina and win virginia ohio new hampshire colorado, wisconsin and ohio and florida and barack will win michigan and nevada. >> gretchen: i don't think that romney will win minnesota. as a native of that state, that is in the obama camp. >> they say voters hold democrats more respo
mitt romney had a modest debate bounce. the question is will it be a blip or lasting change. >> gretchen: look at the university of colorado forecasting model. this is interesting. this is the only model that looks at the electoral college and you need those votes to be president. 330, of the 538 map are going to mitt romney. this is the same out fit in august or september or august 22nd prediction they said the same thing. but romney picked up five more points. >> steve: what they...
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it's clear that that debate has really, really helped mitt romney. >> yeah, i don't think the romney campaign could have wanted to do any more with this debate than they did. if you look across the board at these numbers, wolf, romney has made gains in almost every area including somebody who's better able to improve the jobs situation. he leads -- romney leads obama by eight points on that. so whether it's on the economy, whether it's on leadership, he's now tied with the president. as far as leadership ability is concerned. so i think romney got everything out of that debate and more. >> he certainly did. and if you take a look at -- let me put the numbers back on the screen one more time. earlier this month before the debate, romney was behind the president, the president, 51%, romney, 43%. eight-point difference. now 49% for romney, 45% for obama, a four-point spread. that's a 12-point spread in only, what, three weeks, shall we say? and clearly the major development was his strong performs at that debate. >> you know, wolf, it just shows you that voters are still really weighing
it's clear that that debate has really, really helped mitt romney. >> yeah, i don't think the romney campaign could have wanted to do any more with this debate than they did. if you look across the board at these numbers, wolf, romney has made gains in almost every area including somebody who's better able to improve the jobs situation. he leads -- romney leads obama by eight points on that. so whether it's on the economy, whether it's on leadership, he's now tied with the president. as...
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mitt romney won, and 49% of democrats gave it to romney. >>> meanwhile president obama's debate performance left a big opening for the folks at "saturday night live." >> number 20 -- >> excuse me, governor. mr. president? >> i'm sorry. yeah. yeah, what's up? >> mr. president. governor has just said that he killed osama bin laden. would you care to respond? >> um, no, you two go ahead. >> not bad. big bird made a surprise appearance on weekend update, he took the high road when addressing romney's pledge to eliminate money for public television. mr. bird said he didn't want to ruffle any feathers. >> thank you very much. so as we inch toward election day, today could go down as a big moment in the campaign while president barack obama is in san francisco, he's attending three fund-raisers, his republican challenger mitt romney is getting ready to unveil his vision for foreign policy in a speech in lexington, virginia. here's a portion of his speech. it goes like this, they sent us excerpts earlier. general marshall once said he is going to say, the only way human beings can win a war is to p
mitt romney won, and 49% of democrats gave it to romney. >>> meanwhile president obama's debate performance left a big opening for the folks at "saturday night live." >> number 20 -- >> excuse me, governor. mr. president? >> i'm sorry. yeah. yeah, what's up? >> mr. president. governor has just said that he killed osama bin laden. would you care to respond? >> um, no, you two go ahead. >> not bad. big bird made a surprise appearance on...
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kristen bell poll confirms romney picked up momentum after last week's debate. obama is leading romney by just three points. romney's new strength has the obama campaign focusing on an attack plan. >> governor romney's central for $5c plan calls cut.lion tax- i don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. not telling the truth. >> romney does want to cut tax s that would reduce revenue years.rillion over 10 he said he would offset that by eliminating loopholes and deductions. has refused to say which ones, leaving him open to attack. mitt romney will deliver a today, and president policy.middle east tahman bradley, abc news. >> there was a hot debate on the weekend. commentator tv leaningreilly and left- host jon stewart faced off in a presidential debate on real issues at george washington .niversity demand was so high to see them that crashed the servers. be available for download. it's 43 degrees outside this monday morning. >> still ahead, it's a big day tomorrow for >> welcome back. i'm brian van de graaff. jacqui jeras is attending a conference. we should be in the l
kristen bell poll confirms romney picked up momentum after last week's debate. obama is leading romney by just three points. romney's new strength has the obama campaign focusing on an attack plan. >> governor romney's central for $5c plan calls cut.lion tax- i don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. not telling the truth. >> romney does want to cut tax s that would reduce revenue years.rillion over 10 he said he would offset that by eliminating loopholes and deductions. has refused to...
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then on the 16th you got the second obama-romney debate. on the 22nd final obama-romney debate. then the last friday before the election one more jobs number. my own inclination the job numbers aren't quite as "game change"ing for debates as for the reason voters know how they feel about the economy. they don't need a government report. it does get a lot of attention and we got a race that's plainly at this point even though obama still has a slight advantage in the battleground states this race can go either way. >> interesting. then we got the governor, of course, speaking at vmi about foreign policy, an area for which a little while he appeared to want to take the campaign, at least before the debate. how ground moving is this? >> reporter: i don't think it's very ground moving. it's not what people will vote on. for romney it's an effort to press a leadership advantage which may be one of the things that move the numbers for him after the debate. he looks strong on the stage with president obama. he took the fight to obama. obama was a little bit more passive. but ultimately
then on the 16th you got the second obama-romney debate. on the 22nd final obama-romney debate. then the last friday before the election one more jobs number. my own inclination the job numbers aren't quite as "game change"ing for debates as for the reason voters know how they feel about the economy. they don't need a government report. it does get a lot of attention and we got a race that's plainly at this point even though obama still has a slight advantage in the battleground...
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>> romney has some momentum from the debate. i think the debate is a more powerful political force in the race than the unemployment numbers that came out. we were all talking about those on friday. but you had more than north of 60 million people watching these two guys on wednesday night and you see some momentum, democrats say the gap has narrowed in some states where obama had a lead. he's getting closer in most of the swing states. up two in rasmussen, down three in gallup. and the question is does this week continue that momentum. the vice president debate in the past has been critical for either accelerating or breaking the momentum one way or the other for the party in power. and we saw dick cheney came through twice for president bush, once in 2000 against joe lieberman when they were continuing the progress bush that in the first debate, second time was in breaking the momentum that john kerry had in 2004. and cheney bested john edwards in 2004, that helped him. so we have to see whether paul ryan, who is very smart po
>> romney has some momentum from the debate. i think the debate is a more powerful political force in the race than the unemployment numbers that came out. we were all talking about those on friday. but you had more than north of 60 million people watching these two guys on wednesday night and you see some momentum, democrats say the gap has narrowed in some states where obama had a lead. he's getting closer in most of the swing states. up two in rasmussen, down three in gallup. and the...
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mitt romney picking up a couple points from his debate performance last week. now we are expected to learn more today about the republican challenger foreign policy plans. romney will tell voters at a rally in virginia how he would change course if elected. if expected he would go after the president of handling in attacks. the obama campaign is already fighting back. a spokesperson says we're not going to be lectured by someone who has been an unmitigated disaster on foreign policy. now more on what romney is expected to say at his virginia rally in another hour and why we are talking about foreign policy just a month from the election when of course the economy is the biggest ticket item. reporting in washington jacqueline fell ktvu channel 2 news. >>> it's been called the worst wild fire season on record and the forest service ran out of money to fight the flames. at the end of august funding ran out to pay for the firefighters, fire trucks, and aircraft that fight the flames so the department of agricultural which runs the forest service borrowed from other
mitt romney picking up a couple points from his debate performance last week. now we are expected to learn more today about the republican challenger foreign policy plans. romney will tell voters at a rally in virginia how he would change course if elected. if expected he would go after the president of handling in attacks. the obama campaign is already fighting back. a spokesperson says we're not going to be lectured by someone who has been an unmitigated disaster on foreign policy. now more...
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the president took a jab at his own debate performance last week. he said while the singers are able to perform flawlessly night after night he can't always say the same. >>> mitt romney meantime scheduled to deliver a foreign policy speech today at the virginia military institute. according to his prepared remarks, he will propose a new assertive role for the u.s. in syria, more sanctions on iran, and a change in the u.s. policy in the middle east. the republican nominee will portray president obama as a weak leader. >>> in overnight news back here in the bay area oakland police are investigating a shooting that happened just after 11:00 last night on church street. police say the victims showed up to the east mont police station in a car that was riddled with bullet holes. we don't know the victims condition this morning but so far no arrests have been made. >>> an investigation is under way after a body was found inside a car in east oakland. the body was found at about 5:00 last night at richy and olive streets. police say it was wrapped in clot
the president took a jab at his own debate performance last week. he said while the singers are able to perform flawlessly night after night he can't always say the same. >>> mitt romney meantime scheduled to deliver a foreign policy speech today at the virginia military institute. according to his prepared remarks, he will propose a new assertive role for the u.s. in syria, more sanctions on iran, and a change in the u.s. policy in the middle east. the republican nominee will portray...
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a new gallup poll shows governor romney gaining on the president since their first debate last week. before the debate, the president had a five-point lead in the poll and now they're dead even. look at this poll from the pugh research center, this out this afternoon the this is an important one. governor romney now leads the president by four points among likely voters. after trailing in that same poll by eight points a few weeks ago. we have team fox coverage. ed henry is in california. cal cameron in virginia. the governor covered a lot of ground in that speech. >> he did. this was mitt romney's attempt to suggest that president obama's foreign policy is essentially failed across the globe. there were a whole number of hot spots that they singled out. at one point he suggested the president has only hoped for a strategy and it's not a strategy and mr. romney said we simply can't afford four more years of the current foreign policy. here is a little of his speech. >> with iran closer than irrelevant to nuclear weapons capability, with the conflict in syria threatening to destabiliz
a new gallup poll shows governor romney gaining on the president since their first debate last week. before the debate, the president had a five-point lead in the poll and now they're dead even. look at this poll from the pugh research center, this out this afternoon the this is an important one. governor romney now leads the president by four points among likely voters. after trailing in that same poll by eight points a few weeks ago. we have team fox coverage. ed henry is in california. cal...
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a new post debate gallop poll shows the race is tied. coming up a new ad begins playing today just as mitt romney takes the stage in virginia. in washington, jacqueline fell ktvu channel 2 news. >>> the u.s. forest service ran out of money this year to fight fires during the worst wild fire season on record. at the end of august the money to pay for the firefighters, fire trucks and aircraft was depleted so the department of agricultural which runs the forest service ironically borrowed from other forest management programs the ones that are aimed to prevent the fires in the first place. congress only provided about half the $1 billion it actually cost to fight this years fires. >>> a new report is calling the u.s. navy explanation for radiation contamination in treasure island inadequate. it doesn't explore the possibility the base may have been dusted with radio active ash or soaked with radio active sewage. the radio acknowledged the history was more wide spread than usually thought. >>> san francisco police continue look for the pers
a new post debate gallop poll shows the race is tied. coming up a new ad begins playing today just as mitt romney takes the stage in virginia. in washington, jacqueline fell ktvu channel 2 news. >>> the u.s. forest service ran out of money this year to fight fires during the worst wild fire season on record. at the end of august the money to pay for the firefighters, fire trucks and aircraft was depleted so the department of agricultural which runs the forest service ironically...
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are getting ready for their debates. democrats are hoping that joe biden does better against paul ryan than president obama did with mitt romney last week. >> i think paul ryan is gonna did a great job. i think that joe biden is a very good key baiter. >> analysts say that there's pressure on ryan to show he's potential protesters presidential material in his first debate. >> early voting begins today. if you want to vote today, head to the offices today but most of them are closed because of columbus day. >>> ven sway sway lan president -- inventoryian venezuelan presidential hugo chavez ran the presidency again. he's the longest-running president in latin-america. >>> fighting continues between syria and turkey. turkish troops have retaliated. the countries have been fighting for six days and five people have died. >>> military experts in israel are working around the clock to examine the remains of a mysterious drone shot down over the weekend. >> the military says it was discovered flying over the northern desert. th
are getting ready for their debates. democrats are hoping that joe biden does better against paul ryan than president obama did with mitt romney last week. >> i think paul ryan is gonna did a great job. i think that joe biden is a very good key baiter. >> analysts say that there's pressure on ryan to show he's potential protesters presidential material in his first debate. >> early voting begins today. if you want to vote today, head to the offices today but most of them are...
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guest: well, i think mitt romney in the first debate supported, made it clear support for education. the democrats will say that republicans want to cut education and make education harder to attain for students, and that is just not true. ryan wanty and govpaul to make sure school is accessible for all students. on the issue of pell grants, the president has tried to divide forever on that. the point of being a back door, i do not think that is true. schools admit students. i think pole grants are going to students who get into the college anyway, and have trouble affording college. one thing that has drawn contrast is the democrats will say mitt romney does not support education. that is not true. i would argue he supports it more. education was heavily supported in massachusetts. the education system there was rated very highly. host: let me put the numbers on the screen. 1.5 million young people between ages of 80-29 eligible to vote here in ohio. you both, i assume, have student loans. the average debt of college students is just under $28,000. the and apply merit among those be
guest: well, i think mitt romney in the first debate supported, made it clear support for education. the democrats will say that republicans want to cut education and make education harder to attain for students, and that is just not true. ryan wanty and govpaul to make sure school is accessible for all students. on the issue of pell grants, the president has tried to divide forever on that. the point of being a back door, i do not think that is true. schools admit students. i think pole grants...
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and it's very hard, particularly right now with a new administration, possibly a romney administration will do because they've gone back and forth from the far left to almost the middle in the last debate and so maybe what we expect to be an extreme republican position will be a very moderate republican position. we just don't know that yet. we don't know how much is a noise of politicians, sound bites and momentary attempts to appease the crowd on both sides. i don't think that one would make a market forecast based on one's prediction on whether romney comes into president or obama remains in. >> mr. vogel, let's go back here on the expectations of real returns for investors because i think you're talking about something that could be incredibly important. there's been tremendous concern regarding pension funds and their expected rates of returns on a yearly basis of around 8%. some said that's unrealistic. do you believe that's now fair? >> it's ridiculous. it's a numbers game in which the bested interest of the pension managers are to offer high returns and bested interest of the p
and it's very hard, particularly right now with a new administration, possibly a romney administration will do because they've gone back and forth from the far left to almost the middle in the last debate and so maybe what we expect to be an extreme republican position will be a very moderate republican position. we just don't know that yet. we don't know how much is a noise of politicians, sound bites and momentary attempts to appease the crowd on both sides. i don't think that one would make...